first, you allow medicare to negotiate drug prices, that's your give on entitlements. and then you put mitt romney in charge of it. make him -- >> you think mitt romney would do that? >> when bain was on the ropes, and he was brought in to kind of save the company, he -- he was able to get, you know, bailouts from pension funds, he was able to dole with creditors and get them to lower those prices. he's an incredible negotiator. he's steely, he's tough. so you know let him deal with fizer and the rest of the guys and push drug prices down, everybody wins. >> that's a nicer job for him than i envisioned which is saying you guys are using too much copy ing paper, let's do this digitally. >> romney's amoral, here's your goal, lower drug prices across the board, do it. no, here are your charts, here's your quant, go for it. >> amoral or apolitical, you know, i wonder, it is telling, karen, that mitt romney's gotten a warmer embrace from president obama than his own party. >> how about that? >> maybe will be the thing that pushes him over. i thought, for a while during this